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John Donne The indifferent

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I can love all skin tones, a woman that is a loner or outgoing,

A girl shaped from her upbringing, that can be sensitive or cold,

I can love any woman, as long as she is not faithful.

Is this not a valid proposal? or do you fear a faithful man?

You can go be with 20 men, can i not be with 20 women?

Because you are faithful should i be?

Venus heard this and agreed that faithfulness should be no more,

There are women still faithful, but they will be with faithful men.

2. This piece is about relationships and standards, but also about the standards set and expected in between genders or just in life. The man is talking about wanting open relationships but if with a faithful woman why must he accept that as well. This poem is set from a male viewpoint, but could also be interpreted as the irony of the unfaithfulness of men.

3. The repeated idea in this poem is consistency. If a male is faithful must a female be and vice versa, ending with Venus banning faithfulness yet it still remaining. The era uses "knowing" to refer to sexual relations, and the language of this poem makes talking of unfaithfulness in relationships as a common everyday matter. The structure of this poem separates the poem in movement, from a man declaring his love for women, a questioning for open sexual relations to just not have faithfulness and a summary of open relationships but with some still remaining as before. The writer opens up with his love for women of all types, originally his proposal was not what i thought it would be. He repeats love over and over, but he is not referring to emotional love to me but of a sexual manner,

4. I chose this poem because of how straightforward the writer was. I did not think that this era was about open relationships the way this poem declares so it intrigued me. What is a relationship without faith or trust? His poem to me all felt sexual, and that as a man he did not understand the relationship portion involved. Which is ironic as women often feel men detached emotionally or commitment wise. It can be perceived as men just want women naked, or mockery to the unattached role of men.

5. How do you feel the male figure in this poem views his relationships and why?

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1 LIT 242 Roadmap: Week 7 This week begins Module 3: The Early 17th Century (1603-1660). We will spend 2 weeks in this part of the module. This document has 3 sections: • • • Readings Resources Tasks for this Week Notes: • • Anything you see below in blue and underlined is a hyperlink. You will need to download the document if you want to access its hyperlinks. These are also available in Content, Module 3. Before reading any of these poems, you should watch a required video that explains how to analyze a poem, telling you what to look for as you read it. This is a required Resource for this week. How to analyze a poem you have never seen before - YouTube Readings Poems by John Donne: John Donne is one of my favorite poets. He was an interesting man. He loved marriage and being in love: during their 16 years of marriage before her death, his wife bore him 12 children. You will see quite a bit about sex and intimacy in his poems. He was also a deeply religious man, and you will see this characteristic reflected in his Holy Sonnets. Donne’s poetry can be very dense, and sometimes confusing. “The Flea,” for example, is about a young man trying to get a girl to sleep with him, and using a flea (commonly found on 17 th century bodies) as a metaphor for their relationship. Read online or in the textbook. 1. 2. 3. 4. The Flea (or NAEL, 669) The Indifferent (or NAEL, 673) Elegy 19: To His Mistress Going to Bed (or NAEL, 685-686) Holy Sonnet 10: Death, be not proud (or NAEL, 691) 2 Poems by Ben Jonson 1. On My First Daughter (or NAEL, 710-711) 2. On My First Son (or NAEL, 711) 3. Epitaph on S.P. (or NAEL, 713-714) S.P. is Salomon Pavy, a boy actor who had appeared in several of Jonson’s plays. Salomon died in 1602. 4. My Picture Left in Scotland (not in NAEL) 5. Though I Am Young and Cannot Tell (not in NAEL) 6. Still to be neat (not in NAEL) 7. Song to Celia (not in NAEL) Resources Follow the link How to analyze a poem you have never seen before, if you haven’t already done. Here are some other Resources you should review: Early 17th Century Power Point (brief, 8 slides—in Content, Week 7) Slideshare: John Donne Slideshare: Ben Jonson The Indifferent by John Donne (read by Tom O'Bedlam) - YouTube From Elegy XIX: To His Mistress Going To Bed. By John Donne. - YouTube Not the whole poem, but set to a nice song, with some good photos 6. "Death Be Not Proud" by John Donne - YouTube This has over 20,000 hits. Many viewers seem to like this guy’s voice. 7. Death be not proud - YouTube Not the whole poem, but you will hear actress Emma Thompson read some key lines. Many commenters love her voice. 8. Toddler Recites John Donne - YouTube So, you think British Lit is too hard for you? A baby could do it—literally! 9. "To Celia" (Drink to me only with thine eyes) by Ben Jonson - YouTube 10. Johnny Cash - Drink To Me Only With Thine Eyes - YouTube 11. Laura Wright - Drink To Me Only With Thine Eyes - YouTube 1. 2. 3. 4. 5. Responsibilities There are 2 responsibilities you should focus on this week: 1. Quiz 7: Early 17th Century, Part 1 (10 points) Complete all this week’s Readings before taking the quiz. Do expect questions from the Power Point, the 2 slide shares, and ARTWARS video. 2. Weekly Discussion Forum (30 points) Week 7 Discussion Post Before making your choice on which poem you want to analyze, make sure you have watched the YouTube video on how to analyze a poem you have never seen before (links found both in Readings and in Resources). Next, decide which John Donne or Ben Jonson poem you want to do for your analysis (see pp. 1-2). Only 2 students may choose the same poem for their 3 major analysis. Be sure to check Discussions as soon as you think you know which poem you want to analyze. If you want to make sure you get your first choice, leave a message stating you will be working with that poem. You can always go back and edit the post later. Be sure to put your poem’s title in your Subject line. Once you have chosen which poem you want to analyze, do the following: 1. Paraphrase the poem line by line (Exception: if you have chosen Donne’s The Flea, The Indifferent, or Elegy 19: To His Mistress Going to Bed, you may paraphrase every 2-3 lines). 2. Using ART WARS, tell what the poem is about (A). 3. Using the remaining elements of ART WARS, choose 3 of the 6 to comment on: • Repeated themes/ideas • Tone • Words • Alliteration • Rhyme/Rhythm • Structure Don’t just say “I see alliteration here” or “These words rhyme”, but be sure to explain what effect these elements have on the poem overall. 4. Tell us why you chose this poem to analyze. How did it speak to you? 5. Create a question to ask the class about your poem. “You” questions can work very well.
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